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Think Skyrim is the best thing evarrr? Here's a mini-review from our "now-casual-gamer" editor Mike Paddock, months later.
When I was young, I would spend days on end without interruption playing video games. Then I graduated and got a job (yay). I've been looking forward to playing Skryim since earlier this yaer, and while I was excited to finally get to play Skyrim (recalling the glory days of Morrowind and Oblivion) my general experience went something like this:
I finished work at five, and had an hour to play before I was expected to go out with friends. I turn on the game, load up, and check my quest log for what I did last time. I figure I have enough time to finish at least one quest on my plate: run from the central city of Whiterun to the Imperial controlled city of Solitude in order to enter the ranks of the Legion. No fighting, no endless gathering of supplies, and all I have to do is walk down a road for a while and I'll be at my destination.
Easy peasy.
On the road I found a bandit fort. There are unsuspecting travelers that could die due to this fort! (The bandits also shot at me). I must clear the fort of these scallywags and claim their booty to become rich once I reach Solitude! No worries. A quick distraction, and it only took me twenty minutes.
The fort had a big booty and I had to go back to Whiterun to sell items. And wait for the merchants to regain their very limited supply of money so I can sell more items. And wait. I'm rich, but my girlfriend is knocking at the door and I've accomplished absolutely nothing. This is the frustration of Skyrim for any adult: real life is finally taking precedence over digital adventures.
What did I accomplish in this session? Zero. Nothing. Nada.
The game has been out for 5 months so the honeymoon is over but every time my friends talk about Skyrim they still drool about their experience. I've read Metacritic and see all the rave reviews from the critics... I get a little dumbfounded. Maybe they have time to indulge in the intricacies and mechanics of the game but I have beefs. There are 5 good reasons a casual gamer wouldn't like the game.
1) My biggest beef with Skyrim is as above: accomplishing nothing in a light gaming session. Wandering aimlessly fighting dragons, giants, and skeletons gets boring very quick. This game has some improvements over Oblivion but it's nothing different from Oblivion. The main quest was the same end of the world concept. I felt like I played that scenario in the last Elder Scrolls game, can I try something new... maybe a main quest with a little more depth. The civil war quest seemed like a better concept, why wasn't that the main quest?
2) Alchemy and smithing is worthless for the casual gamer. I want to play a fun game and these feel like work. Ingredients are hard to find and can get expensive, why bother?
3) Where is the mounted combat? Oblivion fans created a mod where you could fight from a horse. You're telling me Bethesda didn't have the resources to accomplish this? I expected this feature in Skyrim and was disappointed.
4) Architecture and town designs. The snow covered world mostly looks dark and gloomy but at times can be cool but the buildings just look like improved Oblivion designs and are not unique. Remember the cool looking Telvanni buildings and Silt Strider concepts in Morrowind. Where were the original ideas like that in Skyrim?
5) Never. Ending. Side. Quests. There are too many things to do in Skyrim. There are quests literally everywhere in this game. You would think this would be a great thing for a casual gamer but all the questing can take its toll. Everyone has a problem and no initiative to solve it themselves, stupid NPCs. You actually have to work to avoid the quest givers in this game. I'll give you 50 gold if you clear out cave X. Oh, brother. Just set me on the path and let's call it a day.
Simply put, Skyrim has too many distractions to be easily playable from a casual experience. Despite all the rave reviews you can read online you don't need to love this game.
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You should change this to Why Being an Adult Sucks. Your points are not valid at all. This game is one that take time to get into, not your usual "Call of Duty" type of game. This game literally has many storyline quests, which a few brought tears to my eyes. Horse combat? There is such a thing. Not a horse vs horse, but you can be mounted and attack people. That's called mounted fighting. Smithing? Useless? You're very mistaken. You can create almost all the armor in the game, two of them being very unique and VERY powerful. I haven't got into the touch of alchemy yet, but I bet there are reasons for it. One on the top of my tongue would be, I don't know... HEALTH POTION? Very vital for playing this game, depending on your difficulty. Too many side quests? That's the point... They put a lot into this game, and it keeps us going so we don't get bored after just a few hours (like I do with many shooter games). These quests aren't dull either, a lot of them are very thought out and very interesting. So like I said above, your "blog" makes no sense. Five small reasons about a game, that you view probably because you don't find the time to actually appreciate this game, does not make it bad, which I have proven all five to be rejected as bad reasons. Getting tired of the stupidity of the world...
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If you have ADHD this isn't for you. It's a 300 hour epic. If you played an hour a night it would take you 10 months to get through it. 10 months for 60 bucks is a good video game deal. If you need the immeadiate gratification of a 10 minute quest instead of slowly nurturing a game meant to show off its grandure go play a team death match they didn't spend years with teams of designers on it to ave you run through it in 10 hours so take your adderal develop some patience and enjoy the aesthetic of a masterpiece
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@#$% I HAVE TO MUCH TO DO IN SKYRIM!!!!! What type of complaint is that?
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Oh, it's Mike Paddock... sigh
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Actually he's right about everything except point number 2.
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Casual gamers can really go @#$% themselves. Better yet @#$% kill yourselves you useless sacks of @#$%.
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If your primary form of entertainment is about 10+ hours of socialising every week, why are you even playing a big and involved game like Skyrim. Wouldn't your time be better used on something more pick-up, like a Nintendo DS or Android/iPhone game?
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If @#$% Skyrim isn't casual enough for you, gott @#$% you need to go find another hobby to @#$% up. The casuals are the problem, not the solution.
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OH NO, I HAVE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS IN AN RPG. HEAVEN FORBID RIGHT?
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Why would you even play an RPG if you're looking for a casual experience?
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Maybe you should @#$% your GF less and hang out with people less instead of PLAYING VIDYA
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Worst part is playing for an hour then die and restart from the beginning of the quest. Stupid for a game like this
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That's why you can save anywhere, anytime. And the game saves itself on a routine basis, every time you rest, travel, go through a door... Only idiots and ES newbies forget to save after every big battle, nice loot, or quest objective. Free-form save system, and you don't take advantage? Speaking of stupid...
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(The Poster Formerly Known As "Outlander") When you do your homework, you come to find that Bethesda created their own engine for which to use in Skyrim's development. They've said that they plan on using this engine for at least one more Elder Scrolls title. This engine allowed them to reach monumental, ridiculous feats such as; comprehensive and random weather patterns that generate random snow and rain based on location. Have you ever traveled a familiar back road and crossed a snow drift you could SWEAR didn't belong there?? This engine also allowed them to create random wind patterns, with random strength and directionality. They also had the ability to give each branch of a tree it's own weight, effecting how they move in the wind. The wind also has the ability to dictate the flow of water in certain areas, like large bodies of water, or small streams. Have you ever crossed a river and thought the water level was higher the last time you passed by it?? It's because the tide, or depth of the water has changed, based on the flow of water from larger bodies of water. Have you ever fought a dragon, and found that in the aftermath, the landscape has been altered by the conflict? Casual Gamer or not, you can't justify calling the landscape of Skyrim out, period. Todd Howard approached Skyrim with the belief that they needed something different. Oblivion's setting was classical, European fantasy. Stereotypically European Fantasy, at that. Todd wanted to take an approach that would give Skyrim a surreal feeling. Surreal meaning: Having the qualities of surrealism; bizarre: "a surreal mix of fact and fantasy". Get it now?? Skyrim wasn't supposed to feel like a trip to an alien planet, like Morrowind provided us. Skyrim is inspired by the Vikings of our modern day, that's just how it is. They wanted Skyrim to feel almost like a Norwegian province. It has very mundane creatures likes wolves, elk, deer, moose, fox, hawks, horses, mixed in with dragons, Dearda, wraiths, sabertooth tigers, etc. It has a very rustic feeling, like taking a trip to ancient Norway, or Scandinavia. Morrowind had fantastical, creative and original elements, and that was great, because that was Morrwind, but Skyrim isn't Morrowind. There are NINE provinces in Tamriel, each completely unique beside every other. Someone involved in the creation of Tarmiel was obviously a huge fan of Nordic culture. It just so happens, so am I. Skyrim was perfect for what it was, and that surreal aspect Howard was shooting for, worked wonderfully.
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You are just a fanboy, i like skyrim but you are just making stuff up, Skyrim is AMAZING but it isnt close to being a graphical power house. The engine is just an updated one from the one being used on fallout. There is no such thing as random wind patterns being affected by tree branches or bodies of waters changing every day. You are full of crap.
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if you pay attention to the world around you when playing you might actually see that he's telling the truth, what game has such an emmense world and such nice quality to the game
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Look up Skyrim on wiki, asshat. You don't have to believe me, I get my facts straight before opening my mouth, lest I sound like a complete fool. Anon 2 has a good point about *paying attention* unread of running around with a raging hard on, thinking you've got it all figured out. Do yourself a favor. Turn on Skyrim, travel to any small stream. Stand in format of it and keep resting for 8-10 hour intervals. Between rests, look closely at the water level and flow... Yea, that's right, you're a complete and utter moron. (And the engine used for Fallout was made by Bethesda and it's use for Fallout was a test run, before upgrading for ES5, their best selling franchise)
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Skyrim is terribad, play New Vegas for a fun as @#$% RPG.
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I'm so sick of hearing about the landscape! You're just looking for reasons to @#$% and moan about the game. Skyrim's director, Todd Howard took a GREAT deal of time and effort to redeem the series after the EPIC failure that was Oblivion. Oblivion's landscape was set in Cyrodiil. For those of you who know @#$% all about the first 2 games, Arena, and Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall, making Oblivian meant sacrificing the ability to create a unique world, as it had already been established, explored, and laid out before us. Oblivion's landscape was largely generated at random, and modified. When Howard approached Skyrim, he decided early on that it would be hand-crafted from top to bottom, and that's what they did. They created the most beautiful, stunning landscape in Elder Scrolls history. About Architecture... Skyrim is an ancient land governed by the Nords. The Nords are inspired heavily by our own Vikings. They are an old world, simple race of men that would logically have a heavily engrained culture and tradition. They would build their homes and castles using a certain method; whatever they've found to work best, and stick to that. If it's not broken, don't try to fix it. I don't have to be the guy who created the Nords to tell you this. Now; the next time you play Skyrim, do me a big @#$%' favor. Fast travel to Whiterun... Look around, Champ. Now fast travel to Windhelm, take another long, hard look around. Now travel to Solitude... You see any difference yet, ya simple minded bastards?
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Skyrim is, like fridgeracer says, is not a game for 5 minute gamers, but more for an awesome open world single player experience. You see, quests are strictly optional - I don't get your problem with them. For me, they are just something I keep at the back of my list, for when I don't feel like going through that Dwemer city for the main quest just yet, or killing some random dude for the D B-hood. You don't have to clear them, or the bandit outposts on the road (Seriously, if you clear every dungeon on your way to a city, you could finish the main quest in the time, not to mention deaths and everything). The depth for the main quest may be shallow, but the other quests chains have a lot of it. SERIOUS SPOILER ALERT Call me a wimp, but one of the saddest parts of the game, for me, was seeing the DBH dead, and Astrid's condition in the end. SPOILER OVER. For mounted combat, there actually is some in the normal game. I don't know details, but I once got a 1000 septim bounty for killing a guard with Mehrunes's Razor off Shadowmere. I think you can attack from horses, with the right weapons. The only one I agree on with you is the architecture. It does get frustrating to expect a new town, new buildings and castles, just to walk in to see the same old Medival castles and huts and pubs. In fact, it is such a problem, I take huge measures to skip Nordic tombs and Dwemer cities, just thinking of the long haul of the same corridors and dungeons I've seen a 100 times. That is the only one you got right, but the rest are just off. If you play a game like Skyrim, you have to learn and get how to enjoy it.
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@ fridgeracer agreed
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you're an idiot! games like this are not designed with casual gamers in mind. If you dont have time to properly play an epic RPG such as this, dont! If you have a wife, job and kids, they should always be the priority. ffs even i dont load up skyrim if i only have 30 mins of time before having to go somewhere, i leave it until sundays or saturday evenings when i am off work and dont need to go bed early for the next working day. use your head! you casuals wanting games built for casuals are @#$% ruining everything that gets released. nearly everything is a walk in the park and too easy to get into and complete. in the good days of gaming, things were complicated enough that the game came with a @#$% dictionary sized manual. any player was an idiot to play it without reading on HOW TO PLAY. today games come in a plastic dvd case with no manual? why? because they made it so @#$% easy for idiots like you to just pick up and play. even on these games of today, you come across 1 problem and you cry that its too hard and takes too much time and you flood the internet with your @#$% crying! GET THE @#$% OUT! i despise "gamers" like you. you people are not even gamers, you are not worthy of that @#$% title - you never will be. @#$% off.
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I used to play this dumb game and found out how retarded it was. Voice actors are boring and the game gets slow and you need to buy a card. How stupid.
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Voice actors were redundant, not boring. The game dialog requires an interest in the running questline, and or the lore and culture of Skyrim, and furthermore the rich, epic history of Tamriel. Not having that is fine, nothing wrong with that. It doesn't, however, make Skyrim a "dumb" or "retarded" game, or make it "suck." I agree they could have at least given each Jarl his or her own unique voice. That shouldn't however rule a game's value out based on this alone. It *should* be a balance of pros and cons based on a number of variables, the redundancy of the voice actors being the among least of prominence on that list for me personally. Based on: !--->Replay Value<---!(Elder Scrolls 101 kids), Game canon, Series canon, potential character canon(I've used my Dunmer Battlemage, Lazarus Grimmtower since Morrowind. He has 3 games of history under his belt now, although it's cheesy that Nevar's reincarnation is also a dragonborn of prophecy), graphics and landscape, variable class system, detailed and massive skill tree, diverse, and pliable magic system(one of Elder Scrolls crown achievements. BEST magic system ever, in ANY game!), detailed and interactive atmosphere and quests, and Optional quests and free flowing style of world and storyline dynamics, Skyrim is far from a bad game of ANY kind in terms of Traditional Role Playing Games. And that's just ten reasons, the three points on canon being considered one. I think the word retarded is just offensive, under any circumstance or context, but not liking a game personally, doesn't make it suck. I'm not a fan of Borderlands, but it doesn't suck. As a game on paper, it' one of the best out there right now. Amazing series, not for me. Maybe I'm just a mature adult governed by logic and reason. I'll leave it the hands of the reader.
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PS: Play on console, it cost FAR less long-term in maintenance. The 21st century has arrived my friend, Console is KING. Ha been for gaming since the Nintendo. Some Computer games are great, but if ever available on console, I deal with any downsides to enjoy a smooth, stable experience with quality across the board from video, audio, to performance. I got sick of tricking out my PC for new games just after the 90's.
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Anon ES Fan 8 is right. And Elder Scrolls hasn't changed their target group at all, nor do I feel they will ever. That would be the death of the franchise, period. Zelda and Warcraft fill that void perfectly. When those players mature into better games, Elder Scrolls will always be there waiting. My biggest beef with this article is the landscape... This list was only 5 points long, and the author was forced to reach as far as knocking the visual experience of Skyrim. Now, I don't know if he played, let alone completed Morrowind, or Oblivion, but based on this article, I think it's more than safe to assume he hasn't, or doesn't remember if he did. Morrowind's bland, earth toned, gritty, and redundant landscape of swamp and ash surrounded by an endless blanket of fog was more depressing that an Amy Lee song. It was quite simply drab and gloomy. Oblivion was essentially the same models and objects with texture changes. And Oblivion's landscape too, was drab, bleak, gloomy, and ultimately uninspired. Morrowind is my number 1 game of all time, always will be, but I could go the rest of my life without trudging through another ash storm, or fitting another Blighted Cliffracer... *gags violently* Skyrim, on the other hand... Absolutely BREATH TAKING!! As a Canadian, I find rugged winter landscapes beautiful. With rich color pallets, stunning graphics, detailed texturing and a wide array of different objects and props, the sculpting of Skyrim's landscape alone was perfection. The world is almost seamless to the naked eye. I remember climbing flat-graded mountains in Morrowind to catch a bird's eye, only to see fog, ash, more fog... Lil more ash... More fog. You scale a realistically graded mountain in Skyrim and set your eyes on the horizon, and even the likes of a simpleton has to take a moment to absorb the stunning landscape, straight down to the tiny clouds that linger around the peeks of Skyrim's stone giants!! The mere fact that you made mention of the landscape forces me to feel as though you stretched yourself to find even 5 reasons why Skyrim would suck for any RPG fan, casual or not. I'd rather play a deep, involving game for 1 hour a day, and take 6 months to beat it, than play some 1 dimensional, linear game that offers loupe more than entertainment alone. THAT is a waste of MY time. Any game I play, better be worth WHATEVER amount of time I spend on it. I don't have any time to waste, do you???
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I disagree, but that's because I have nothing better to do with my free time. You make a great point but I think Bethesda is trying to change their target audience to younger kids. But, that's just me.
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Skyrim isn't a casual game, it was never intended to be and if you play it like one than you will be disappointed. However, the game generated repeating side quests ARE indeed worthless,but the unique side quests can be fun. Also, smithing, enchanting, and alchemy are not worthless, time consuming, but not worthless, if you know what you are doing the gear that can be made with these will be FAR ahead of any quest rewards or looted gear and at high levels that kind of gear is almost required due to the game's weird balance at high levels, especially for magic based characters. Skyrim has many problems other than what is mentioned here. I have probably played skyrim for longer than any other poster combined (over 4000 saves so far), I could write a book about the flaws of skyrim if I wanted but I don't agree with most of this list. Also, they patched in limited mounted combat, still no magic while on horse though.
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Anyone who says Skyrim is the best game ever has clearly never played any BioWare games or simply enjoys roaming aimlessly through virtual worlds, killing hordes of things, using a clumsy, dysfunctional UI, while having minimal interactions with lifeless NPCs that have no real impact on the story. There is absolutely nothing interesting, new, good or innovative about this game. There were DOS games that had more interactions than Skyrim. It's sad how good marketing can turn something that's barely mediocre into a big thing.
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-_- People like you are the reason the term "Newb" exists. Anyone who would attempt to compare Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights or Dragon Age to Edler Scrolls is someone who's opinion shouldn't even be taken seriously. I've played every BioWare game ever made, and interestingly enough, mediocre is the perfect word to describe their games.
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why is that a bad thing? so u want skyrim to be bland and mediocre? i agree with time lord the game has a horrible UI, the combat is very clumsy, the story is simple and unintresting.. (defeat the EVIL DRAGON !!) and the side quests are a joke I felt i was a courier delivering @#$% to people. what if skyrim was differnt and actually had some innovation? had a better UI, better combat and more complex and deep story? I guess u skyrim nerds dont want that and want to be stuck in this mediocrity that is skyrim. if advocating for change and improvment makes me a so called "newb" then im happy to be one.
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You can us BOTH a one-handed weapon, or a bow from mount on the move and stationary. Maybe if you spent less time finding reasons why Skyrim sucks, and more time playing the game well (your time management is horrible), you would know stuff like this, and appreciate a game like Skyrim, AS a casual gamer. You could get a LOT of top of the line action adventure play out of it, as opposed to a short, 1 dimensional, unsatisfying and ultimately forgettable game like God of War, or Assassin's Creed. Morrowind AND Skyrim and two of the best games ever made.
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Alchemy is my main stat or whatever you call it. No I don't use it as intended, I use the internet for recipes so I don't waste my time but if I'm fighting something too hard to beat with my average level sword prowess, I can shoot a few poisoned arrows, use some fortification potions, or become invisible and run away. Not exactly useless or time consuming if you're willing to bend the rules and look up recipes. Also, you're a dumbass for not just taking the taxi-carriage I'd hate the game too if I had to walk everywhere..
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I'm a casual gamer and I've played Skyrim a lot. Had it for over a year now, and still haven't done everything. It is a huge game. You know, if you don't want to get to distracted by forts and such on the way to a quest, try fast traveling to it or the closest area you have to it, or use the cart at Whiterun stables. I do agree with you somewhat about smithing and alchemy. I would throw enchanting in there too. Its time consuming, and feels like work. They aren't worthless though. I didn't know what I was doing on my first time through, and didn't do any of the 3, and had to put it down to novice to beat it.
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This guy is stupid skyrims the best ever
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oh yes i hate this game because its too much fun and its too good...
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"Skyrim sucks for casual gaming." ... Good thing it's /not/ a casual game.
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Skyrim always sucks. Boring, overrated, not much people care about it, they try to make the trailer as good but it just gives people stress and depression. And so does morrowind and oblivion they all suck equally. Warcraft is a much cooler game. Except for WoW.
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Please go try to flame people somewhere else
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Only nerds or no lifers play WoW/World of warcraft. When my buddy was banned for some time he began to shove a remote up his @#$%... WoW ruins your life + It is sucking up you time. And in WoW you can't free Roam until lvl 90 FFS. And i Love the games Morrowind , Oblivion And skyrim. And now i will get Tons of nerds and no lifers sending hate mails to me....
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You praise morrowind but complain about skyrim. One of your major complaints being that there is too much to do in skyrim... I hope your kidding. It took me about a month to do everything in morrowind, and it took me less than a week to do everything in skyrim. As for clearing out that bandit fort - you could have simply kept walking to your destination. Your biggest beef with the game, solved. Ingredients hard to find? Just look at the ground once in a while - you see that bush next to you? It's an ingredient you can harvest. Visually I found Skyrim prettier than Morrowind - yet another point we disagree on. I found the constant ash storms and gloomy/dark areas in Morrowind weren't all that exciting. The only 2 complaints I didn't address were the smithing and the mounted combat. For a casual gamer I would agree smithing is mostly worthless. Mounted combat makes zero difference to me. I would be surprised if it was really that big of a deal to you to actually hate the game over something so... silly.
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It's all boring. Online is much better anyways, except for that stupid Elder Butts Online one.
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You realize some people don't like online because, I don't know, ten year olds are on it? Try tolerating Call of Duty for fifteen minutes. The relaxing solitude of individual gaming is a welcome reprieve.
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So, basically, you're complaining that this game has too much content? Are you serious? You have "beef" with this game because there's too much content, and much of it is "unoriginal?" You casuals shouldn't have the nerve to gripe about how you don't have enough time to play a game with such breathtaking detail, considering that you aren't actual gamers anyway.
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Dude you are so right this guy just needs to get a life.If he has enough time to write this review then I don't understand how he can only play skyrim for an hour.He probably wrote this review because he sucks at the game and has no skills at gaming.Theres my solution.
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This guy knows what hes talkin about
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6. The main story was more of a bad afterthought..... It felt like they planned nothing but side quests and then through it in to say it had one......
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If you don't like smithing, don't do it. If you don't like side-quests, don't do them. If you don't like the main quest, don't do it. If you prefer the civil-war plot line, play it. The beauty of skyrim is that it plays well no matter your gaming style. It sounds like your criticism is more criticism of RPG style games in general. That's fine, but nothing is stopping you from playing the civil war quest line in 30 minute bursts in between your busy, big boy life.
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Long time lurker, first time poster, I enjoy these posts by the way, I am a casual gamer like you and I found Skyrim to be time consuming. I suggest you try Prototype 1 or 2. Best open world game I have played since the GTA series.
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hey thanks for the comment Phil, I'm sure Mike will appreciate it.
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You're right on mark with regard to the "casual" gamer hating this game but even a seasoned Skyrim player will get bored with the side quests after playing for a few hours. The never ending side quests are definitely a bummer ! Good review; it's refreshing to see someone tell it like it is ! I hope the upcoming DLC doesn't add another load of endless side quests !
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Thanx for the review. I haven't gotten it yet and was worried that it might be a little too time consuming..
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So maybe you think Skryim is the best game ever. Well, if you have a finite time to play the game and you consider yourself a "casual gamer" --- trust us, you'll hate this game.
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skyrims a step back form oblivion and even morrowind cause there were twink mechanics there, here its just never ending boredom and sudden death if you play a non defensive character
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